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No Free Speech on ZDNet

This morning, Adrian Kingsley-Hughes posted an article extolling the virtues of the very latest revision of the Windows 7 beta. After reading the article, I was very impressed with the looks of the speed differences he was achieving with the newest OS.

I left a message in the comments column, and went about my usual morning rituals. I then went back about 90 minutes later, to see if there had been a response. I was fairly sure I would get a response, because I had asked questions about why my results, informally obtained with my test system, an Athlon64 3200 with 2 GB RAM and an ATi video system, with 2 identical Seagate 80 GB 7200 RPM drives, were so different.

I also let him know, in the message, that I really don’t like the interface of Windows 7, as I see it as a return to the look and feel of Windows 3.1 (it is, but with better resolution). I also don’t like the way that the file system has been changed, but saying that, I also said that I would have to think hard about shunning Windows 7 if it truly had the performance that he was indicating.

Imagine my surprise when the comment was not there. I forgot to mention that mine was the very first comment on the article – or at least appeared to be, as when I looked at my comment on the page, there still was none before mine.

I then sent an e-mail, indicating my displeasure at the removal of my comment, because – it attacked no one, did not attack his testing methods, used no vulgar or otherwise offensive language, and was on topic.

Then I received a response from him -

Which comment? What post? I have no control whatsoever to remove or
edit anyone elses comments - that control lies with folks ZDNet …
Feel free to repost (and send me a link), or send them to me via email
and I’ll chat with you that way.
A

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM,  <chrome_slinky@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Really bad form. I was not attacking you or your methods. I simply >thought you might be able to give another view on why my results are so >different from yours.
>
> This takes my admiration of you (and especially ZDNet) down about four >notches, as this is not the first time my comments have been removed >when they did not attack anyone, use vulgar language, or were off-topic.
>

I am now wondering why , if I am to believe Mr. Kingsley-Hughes, why anyone at ZDNet would not want this type of conversation to take place in the open. I can only conclude that this is much like the other comments I have had removed there, that it would have lead to a Microsoft product to be shown in an unfavorable light. I know that has caused other comments to be removed – every time not being off-topic, or vulgar, or personally attacking anyone. (The comments were to other writer’s articles, not any of AKH’s columns.) I am going to give Mr. Kingsley-Hughes the benefit of the doubt, but this is four times with ZDNet.

I know it tends to make me wonder if my article about payola from Microsoft was entirely correct.

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Joe,

it would sem to go anywhere there is money to be made, and fear of that money’s loss.

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You’d be amazed at how widespread this phenomenon is - it’s called censorship!

Oh Puhlease!

A wise person once said “Don’t explain something as a conspiracy that can be explained by stupidity”
… or something like that.

ZDNet gets so many comments every day it would take an army of people to filter out each comment.

Actually if you want to see active censorship in action you should try posting something provocative on the huffingtonpost.com

The most likely culprit here is probably a glitch in their system. Especially since you said that yours was the first post… I’m wondering how many other ‘first posts’ got vaporized.

But maybe the conspiracy here is the feigned outrage that got me to read and post in the first place… how much do you get paid by the click?

Mike -

“how much do you get paid by the click?”

Not enough to worry about opinions like yours.

You seem to be fairly good at making outrageous statements - but how well do you read?

I said this was the fourth time, and the other three times, the comment was not the first.

If you read the articles on ZDNet as much as I do, which is daily, because many of the authors write on Saturday and Sunday as well, you’d have seen other comments disappear. Many times the ’seeing’ is easy, as someone will come back, as I did, and instead of e-mailing the author, they will simply put up another comment suck as ” Hey, why did you remove my comment?” - there is never an answer, but if you follow the thread, you can see others replying to a comment that is no longer there.

I happen to comment on HuffPost all the time, and have had a few things to say which people responded to rather sharply. As far as I can tell, the only thing not tolerated there is ad hominem attacks, because I have seen some vulgarity, so I’m guessing that doesn’t trigger any censorship.

Also, attesting to your lack of reading comprehension, I never used the word conspiracy. If I had erased your comment, it would not be a conspiracy - just censorship.

But I don’t censor anything, because I don’t feel that is right, for many reasons. Thus, no fears, the next time you wish to attack me, you will get through, but be aware that others also see what you are posting too.

hahaha!

No ad hominem attacks on Huffingtonpost!?!?! OMG! RU4 REAL!?

How about “Rush is a big fat hate-mongering drug addict!” That is their favorite refutation of the views and ideals of Rush Limbaugh!

There is very little substantive discussion in those forums and only visit there by haphazardly clicking on links.

And, despite your ad hominem attack on me, I have fine reading comprehension.

And no you didn’t say conspiracy but you sure did imply it by asserting ZDNet is secretly trying to protect Microsoft from users harsh comments.

I frequent ZDNet regularly too and have had on more than one occasion been greeted with timeouts and blank pages. Their servers get hammered quite regularly by traffic. It isn’t hard to fathom missing posts.

Ad hominem is attacking the other person involved in the conversation, so yes, I haven’t seen that.

Limbaugh is a third party, aand so not involved, so no ad hominem. Besides, what about that is untrue?
He does promote hate; he is a convicted drug addict (who, had he not been a friend to the ruling party, would be in a 6 x 9 room, playing wifey to some guy named Bubba); and he is overweight.

T + T + T = T so no problems there.

Again, I think you mix up imply with infer. And if you can read the drivel that Ed Bott trowels out without thinking he gets a little extra in his paycheck from MS each month, then you have very low ability to discern.

I was on there giving an example of problems that Microsoft has not fixed with Explorer through Windows XP SP3 (it may or may not be present in Vista). He immediately came back with some outlandish extreme to my claim, that was so ridiculous as to show everyone how silly his claims of Microsoft’s superiority were.

Others there vary in their bold claims of the wondrous nature of Microsoft products. It carries over to PC Magazine as well, with John C. Dvorak being the only one who has the nerve to be different.

Back when the other people we’re extolling the virtues of Windows 3.1, he was the lone voice who said OS/2 was clearly better as an operating system. He was right then, and he is right now, when he states that people should be starting to get used to Linux, as it is clear that Microsoft has forgotten who it works for.

As for their pages being hammered, perhaps they should get a ‘grant’ from Microsoft. I’m sure it could be worked out.

I’m not innately an MS hater. I simply comment on what I see, where and when I see it. If you’ve read any of my older stuff, you see how fond I am of XP, and the Windows Live Essentials. These are great, and it is almost too much to believe that software comes from the same company.

Perhaps MS should buy back the rights to OS/2 from IBM, because OS/2 did things in 1994 that Windows can’t do today - a sure sign of retrograde motion.

“ad hominem….appealing to one’s prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one’s intellect or reason.”

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ad%20hominem

Mike - same source, further down the page but I’m sure you saw that

Usage Note: As the principal meaning of the preposition ad suggests, the homo of ad hominem was originally the person to whom an argument was addressed, not its subject.

Nonetheless, the speech about Limbaugh is all true, therefore not an attack based on nothing. If on the other hand, I was to say ” Rush Limbaugh is a lying rat bastard ” we would have to prove that he was indeed a liar, a genetic check would be needed, and further inquiry into the Limbaugh family tree and marriage certificates obtained.

Hey Mike, did anyone ever mention to you that if you would shut up you wouldn’t appear as stupid as you really are?
If not, allow me to be the first.

Немного провакационный пост. Поэтому такие и комментсы :)

Виктор Евсеев,

you can say that again. (g)

По моему мнению, не стоит заморачиваться на эту тему. :)

Really enjoy the tone of your entries, as I certainly share your palpable exasperation with MS in general as well as with the homogeneous praise W7 is receiving.

Something is rotten in the State of Washington, indeed, but to my eyes (subjective observation) it seems that MS has enjoyed substantial influence over the press for quite some time. I, too, am no “MS hater” per se, but I will never hesitate to express my displeasure with any company (e.g. domestic automobile manufacturers) that must be forcibly coerced - kicking and screaming - into making a quality product, regardless of whether the impetus comes via legislation or competition (OSS)…

Entertaining reading, glad I found this. BTW “Mike” seems to have an exaggerated pro-W7 view that is beyond simple bias - I’ve seen his other reactions to your writings, and his trolling just reinforces what is wrong overall with the industry (and consumers) today.

Toolio20, thanks for the comment. Not simply for agreement, as many like Mike might suspect, but for taking the time to check out older stuff.

I am always amazed by how far back some people read - it’s very gratifying, and it also gets responses long after something predicted happens - very interesting.

Вопрос к автору блога, а вот у вас время у каждой статьи и в комментах пишется… Это какое? Московское? Заранее благодарю за ответ.

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