JFK Assassination Proof?

Like yourself, I don’t think I’ll ever be completely convinced that there wasn’t some kind/degree of conspiracy involved in the assassination of JFK. As well, and I’m sure this is true with you too, there is one very special peice of “evidence” that speaks to an individual and seems to be the single-most convincing factor above which all other evindence and agrguments must surpass. To me that peice of video evidence was when Pres. Kennedys Secret Service human shields (the guys that ride on the back bumber of the car) were forceably removed whereby opening a direct line of fire that would’ve normally been obstructed by standard security opperational procedure. THIS by direct order of thier ranking SS officer who’s riding a comfortable distance directly behind Pres. Kennedy shortly before the fatal shots were fired.

I’m not sure that any treatment on the subject will sway anyone’s mind in either direction at this point.

For those of us who have formed an opinion based on what we’ve seen, heard or read up until now, it would probably take some overwhelming new evidence to sway us from our current stance.

Of all the new treatments on this subject that I’ve seen over the last two or three years, even though they profess to be ‘new,’ or ‘more scientific,’ or ‘factoring in new “evidence,”‘ they haven’t changed my opinion of what happened.

I’m open to having my opinion changed. It’s just that nothing that I’ve seen has been able to do that.

At the point where all of the other info on the subject that is currently still classified becomes declassified, and all of the principles are dead, I’m not sure how much it will matter, other than as coffee table conversation, anyway.

Having visited the “Grassy Knoll” decades ago, it astounds me that:
1. Interest abounds; &
2. Vital data is still cast out
I was in 4th period Concert Choir at high school in Phoenix when the announcement came over the PA. I had spent the previous summer at Walker AFB and was in the “War Room” when the “Red Phone” lit up. A buddy was out on the flight-line touring the Nike Missiles at the same time, … and when next I saw him, he was white with a tinge of green. He said that the intire desert had opened and looked like a pin-cushion. We were both in Civil Air Patrol; both 14, and both left aghast. For my part, I thought it was a “really neat reenactment” for our entertainment. It was not for several months that I discovered that I was standing at parade-rest inside that room with all the guys writing backwards on glass panels and was witnessing an actual “Red Alert”. Lucky for everyone I did think that way, … they really didn’t need to mop the floors from a bunch of loose-bladdered teenyboppers at such a time!
Back to my music class: I, and most of us, was concerned about the next 47 minutes, as we were fully aware of the ICBM. Lives flashed - repeatedly -before all of us for the next hours.
Resuming the nested-flashback. At the “Grassy Knoll” I chanced upon several people, one in particular, who alerted me to the two editions of “Life” Magazine for that day/week. In both editions there were the films of the event. The first release, however, was even more horrific than you can believe, … until you can see and compare both magazines.
In the first the moving photos show a woman moving quickly from the bottom of the frames to the top on the left while a young girl is running from top to bottom in the right side.
The running woman was carrying a purse with a hankie flopping from it. In the next frames she is moving, then her legs splayed out. Then - magically - she disappears, but her hankie is not airbrushed out. The girl on the right keeps moving, and, … of course, didn’t disappear.
If you can find a copy of the first edition, you can plainly see that the cause of the woman splaying (and disappearing) was a man in a large cape between her and the little girl. This man appeared to have some sort of “machine gun” which he lifted and moved from side to side.

Later, I read from the Warren Commission Hearings - a huge collection of volumes taking up at least 20 feet of shelf space in the Law Library. In that, the two officers on motorcycle immediately behind Kennedy’s limo testified that they heard shots and turned to their left (they’re heading west, so their left was to the south, the open grassy area - not the book depository on their right/north). They also stated that they were impacted with flesh and blood on the left side of their faces. This was questioned and repeated. The position of Kennedy was ahead and to the right of at least one of them, so that’s why they were questioned repeatedly.

The combination of the film printed in the first editon of “Life Magazine” and this fragment of testimony was enough to settle that more than one gun was used.

Now I’m 60, I’m not a Kennedy, nor do I have anything to gain from this missive, so I don’t have any axes to grind, but I know what I saw. What a shame that those items somehow disappeared. You may choose to disbelieve me, but if you can find a copy of that first edition, you will become one of the “Fringe” of society as I am. I wasn’t old enough to drive, so I had no stake in any of this, just a gnawing interest.

BTW, if you do have a copy of that first edition, I’d love to have a .jpg of it.

Thanks, and keep on searching.

You know how Oswald was captured? He entered the Texas Theater without paying the 75¢ entry fee despite having $400 on his person. The girl selling the tickets called the police. Before you could bat an eyelash, 30 police cars showed up at the theater to arrest a guy for stealing 75¢, and all this the day after the assasination when nobody supposedly knew who had killed the President.

What’s wrong with this scenario? I don’t know why I smell a rat. I might add, this is from Oliver Stone’s movie JFK, and the news media never said anything about it, meaning this is indeed what happened.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

Here’s a couple of other ideas.

Did JFK hire a hit team because he knew he was terminally ill?

Did LBJ hire the hit because he wanted to be president that badly?

Did Khrushchev hire the hit over the Cuban missile crisis?

My personal belief is that it was LBJ, knowing what an absolute crook he was, at least as bad as Tricky Dicky.

? Did you kknow that Marilyn Monroe was asked to kill the President ? Come on folks you are all blind . The Mafia was having a hard time of trying to get at the President . They cornered Marilyn and asked her to assasinate the President by poisoning him . She stated that she wanted no part in it . Thats why she was in hiding when she was found dead. But one ? there was someone that knew of this plot and they too were killed like Marilyn . If people would trace back what Marilyn had done and gone through . She owed a few mafia people some favors. Think of this one . Thats why his brother Robert was killed by the mafia also . He was turning some evidence over to have some of the biggest mafia people prosecuted. Oh wow I’ll probably be next . LOL just for telling the truth about it all.

Media-Ted, I was 7, but I knew something had gone completely wrong. We were stationed in Fairbanks, Alaska and there was no school that day because of it.

I became fascinated with the recounting of it, including reading a great deal of the Warren Report. In following years, each time the problems of accounting for data and facts were revisited, I would go back and recheck with older information. It never added up.

As you said, there was too much that was covered up, and the fact that we have to wait until 2029 (originally 2038) to find out everything make me smell a rat for that reason alone.

I’ve only cried about a death a few times in my life, and other than family members it’s only 4 that I can think of, John Lennon, Gerge Harrison, JFK, and RFK. I was not even shocked about MLK, though I was extremely sorry, but I expected he was going to be killed - he had simply gooten too many people very upset. The others were just too much of a shock to do anything else.

I truly hope we are better than this now, but I pray for the health of Barack Obama each night.

To all above, thanks for the comments, hopefully we will know about this in 2029, and there will be enough fight in some to do something about it.

if only you would bear the same amount of scrutiny on something that DID happen when you were adult - namely 9/11 - if you look you will see many hands moving things - and not what the media told you…

kiko, I’m tempted to say, “One conspiracy at a time”, but although you might be right, there hasn’t been that much exposure of this - too little time has passed, and no one (of any importance) seems to be looking at it as a conspiracy.

Perhaps I should rephrase that - it was clearly a conspiracy of stupidity - Rice was given briefings saying something was up in late July, Bush attacked the wrong country, immediately wanting vengeance for the attacks on his father, others who had some knowledge were ignored. However, I haven’t seen any evidence to push for anything other than stupidity of the administration, and bad judgement after the attacks.

I was a sophomore in high school when Kennedy was assassinated. I was horrified as many were.
It would seem that we continue to go around the same mountain as far as conspiracy theories go. I believe that there was more than one shooter, only by evidence presented. If we, as the general public, knew for sure all that takes place within our government regarding what they choose for us to know, we would be digging ourselves a hole to climb in probably. That goes for many incidents that have taken place over many years. One day we may find out for sure. Look at the Cuban missile crisis. After a lot of research, they made a movie to reveal to many of us just how close we were to nuclear war. Perhaps our children will find out the truth, when children of those that were there and have come forward to tell what they know, feel like there isn’t a danger anymore to themselves or their families. Will our own children care by then. Who knows.

Bet-Bet,
[[Will our own children care by then. Who knows.]]

Just as in the Oliver Stone movie, I have made sure that my son, now 18, will ask the questions, and demand answers, if I am not around, or able. We all should, as it is no less important than worrying about the national debt that we leave our progeny.

Thanks for the comment.

I was 11 at the time and living in Malaysia when it happened. I have just returned home from school that day when I collected the afternoon newspaper and emblazoned across the front was the headlines, “Kennedy Shot”. I read the article and ran with the new back to my house, announcing to my mother, what had happened. I remember her saying, “Oh my” and going as pale as a gjost as she sat down with the papers. Although we were not American citizens at the time, it was nonetheless, a traumatic event for us all and like so many others, continues to haunt our memories of that dreadful day, to this very day.
Conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy? Perhaps. Finding Oswald in the theatre and being pointed out as the assassin seems to be too convenient. Unlike John Wilkes Booth’s assassination of President Lincoln when he was clearly seen and identified by many, Oswald was not and his comment that he was “a patsy” throws further doubt about his guilt. Likewise, Jack Ruby’s killing of Oswald seemed to be too convenient as well. However, all of the prime participants are dead and one may never really know what actually happened.

Gary, that is what all the commotion is about. If all the facts pointed simply to Oswald’s guilt, and that Jack Ruby did, in fact, simply act out of patriotism, then why are all the records sealed until 2029?

That hardly seems likely.

Thanks for the comment.

I have come accross this site.It explains what really happened.All official investigations have presumed that normal bullets were fired at the President.This person using military sources explains that there are different types of bullets with different characteristics.If you have no military trainning you will not know,therefore your investigation is flawed.This site is full of information and is now being released due to the fact there is now a new American President waiting in the wings.Check it out and spread the word.IT’S TIME FOR THE TRUTH TO BE KNOWN.

I’m glad you’re open enough to ask and study.
Look up Jim Fetzer, Black Op Radio, and Mark Lane. Colonel Fletcher Prouty (a part of Donald Sutherland’s character in the Stone movie) has some very interesting things to say about the assassination. Secret Service detail thinned for no apparent reason, windows on route not sealed, Oswald’s bio immediately available to overseas newspapers, and a General Lansdale walking away. It’s really sad.

My belief is that no matter how it/he was executed, it was the military-industrial complex. Follow the money.

Oddly enough, this was repeated on 9/11.

leftystrat, the plain of it ( as my great-uncle used to say) is the fact that if there was nothing to worry about, and the answers have been given, why are the rrecords still sealed?

I’m just woondering, why do you think 9/11 was engineered? I have always simply thought it was Bush administration ( and Condoleeza explicitly) stupidity.