Sir,

I have to totally disagree with your post. If the outcry for withdrawal was so strong we would not have seen a ‘back-off’ by the democrats. It seems more reasonable to assume many in Congress were hearing different than what you seem to believe. I for one believe we should stay the course. We have to win. This is a very serious threat that we can’t just wish under the rug. It has been with us for 30 or so years. They have attacked and killed US citizens for 30 or so years, and in the past we tried to appease them, control them, and talk to them. The time to get rid of their menace is now.

But I know we respectively disagree, but I’ve been their and it is not what one reads in the papers. In some places it is, but in most others it is not.

Oh well . . . I love your site, but I strongly disagree with your post.

Have a great day,
James D.

I’m not one who supports immediate troop withdrawal. Unlike most who think they can manage a war from their desk, I’ve been there. I have family and friends still there. 150,000 US troops there in Iraq all have friends and families and former soldiers like myself. I would bet money that the “pole takers” aren’t too keen on talking to any of us. But you can bet that we are being heard. We STILL SUPPORT the troops AND our Commander in Chief. Thank GOD for the power still being with the people !

James and Jim, thanks for the comments. Food for thought: James, what will we be winning? This is more than just a snappy retort to what you have said. I don’t see a ‘win’ position, whatever we do. Jim, I have a nephew and a niece there, and if I thought they were doing any good whatsoever, I would not feel this way.

Another quick thought, who are they polling, if not the American people? Who is demonstrating, writing letters to the editor, etc? This is too important a subject to simply ‘chime in in agreement’ if that is not the way one feels.

What is the “win”? The “win” is you get to continue breathing. The win is you get to continue to live in a country that allows you to have a website to espouse you views openly without government intervention. The win is we have now gone 2,083 days without a terrorist threat coming to fruition on American soil. All of this has happened because a.) The patriot act that most people hate so much, and b.) we have taken the fight to them. We can either fight the terrorist on American soil or we can fight them on foreign soil. The choice is up to us. Make no mistake. If we don’t fight them over their, we will fight them here. The difference is, when we are fighting them on foreign soil, the military is doing everything within its power to minimize civilian casualties. Hence the fact that we dont just carpet bomb Iraq and start over. If we allow them to bring the fight to us, they care nothing about preserving innocent human life. The only good American is a dead American. Women and children included. Hence the > 3,000 dead on September 11, 2001. As Rudy said, “We don’t have to declare war on them, they have declared war on us”. It is now up to us to do everything within our power to make sure we don’t lose the fight of our generation.

John, have you come to this conclusion on your own, or do you simply believe everything the government tells you. Have you pondered why it only happened in 2001, and not 1970, 1980, 1990? You are right, I do hate the Patriot Act. If we get treated increasingly more like people in Soviet Russia, with no one standing up and complaining, we will continue the move toward a government that works just like the one Stalin established. Oh, we are FAR from there yet, but we are on the way with things like the Patriot Act.

You do sound like you go with the agenda of our president completely, which puts you in a distinct minority. How does that make you feel? Do you not see the erosion of our personal freedoms? Also, how do we maintain our status as the ‘best and brightest’ nation [which until 2003, I believed] if we treat the other nations in the manner this administration espouses? Where is our moral authority if we just become the schoolyard bully?

Oh, and thanks for your comment. If we continue to dialogue we just might ALL see the light soon.

Sir: I also disagree, with you. Further discussion is not necessary, as
neither of us is likely to change. I read this site for computer-related
info, etc…not politics. Guess I will have to try another site…
bill

I’m not sure why you would call yourself the oracle when you have nothing but left wing rhetoric to say. You are truely out of touch with reality. If you would walk across America and talk to the people outside of your left wing circle of friends, you would realize that the majority do not agree with you and that most of them are not right wing liberals. I find it disturbing that so many Americans do not think for themselves, but let the media or the government think for them, but it only goes to prove a point that someone made so long ago, only a very few people think for themselves. The truth is that we are at the mercy of the Arab nations. If they wanted, they could shut us down by shutting off the oil at any time. If we let the terrorists take over Iraq, what do you think they would do? Think man think!

M., am I the one out of touch? I can see that there was no good reason to start a war in Iraq, before all the other means at our disposal were tried. I can see that now we are there, it is a mess, for them as well as us. I can see that there is no winning position. If we totally subdue them, then we are just the schoolyard bully, pushing the little guys around for our own needs; if we walk away, we are the rat bastard aggressors, who ruined things and left a disaster. So to your pro-Bush stance, I say, where is the win? Where is the improvement of anything?

As for thinking about it, I do much of that, and praying as well, as I have a niece and a nephew there right now, who never should have had to go.

People compare this war to Vietnam. I know this is nothing like Vietnam. In Vietnam at least, we were responding to a war already in progress, and committing to an agreement we had made earlier. It was called SEATO.

In Iraq, there was no war, we started it, and we are the aggressor. Saddam was bad, what is happening now is worse.

I completely agree with you. The democrats won control of congress by campaigning for an end to the war, and then backed out. The fact is, only the Iraqis can win the war, and it seems that we lost their support long ago. We can not win if the population of the country continually fights against us. In the early stages of the war, most of the fight against our troops was carried on by outside forces, but this is no longer the case. Most Iraqis now just want the fighting to stop, and many believe the best way to accomplish this is to get rid of us, and will go to any means to do so.

Norman, thanks for stopping by.

“I read this site for computer-related info, etc…not politics. Guess I will have to try another site…”

This seems to be such a typical response from the far right: You said something I disagree with, so I’m going to stop visiting your web site. Why is it so hard for right-wingers to tolerate people with different opinions? Is it because they know their opinions are so far off from reality that their entire system of beliefs would come crumbling to the ground if they let a few words slip into their minds that don’t conform to the party line?

In the beginning we were told Osama Bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attacks. When Bush couldn’t find Bin Laden, then we were lied to and misled into believing Saddam Huessein had something to do with 9/11 and that we needed to attack Iraq right away. Now the truth has come out, and most people realize that they were conned into thinking it was a good idea to go to war.

The war in Iraq is not about protecting us from terrorism. It is (was) about getting Bush re-elected and making billions of dollars for Cheney’s pals. Saddam was a bad guy, and most people are happy to see him gone, but he had nothing to do with 9/11 and nothing to do with supporting terrorist attacks on the US. The evidence is overwhelming that our presence in Iraq has been a driving force in helping the terrorist groups recruit more members. They are building their numbers while we are stuck in this mess in Iraq, instead of going after them.

Rick

Rick, thanks for looking back at the older stuff.

I think the people who believe in this war are in a state of denial that their trusted government could be at all corrupt and no longer answering to the people but rather the corporations as well as following their own personal agendas. Wake up fools.

This war has and never will be about terrorists. If it were about terrorists, shouldn’t we have caught an underfunded Middle Eastern man hiding out in caves by now? This is all about the oil control within the middle east. The Bush administration took it upon themselves to find a silver lining in the cloud that was 9/11 and used it to push their war in Iraq with forged documentation and speculation about ‘weapons of mass destruction’ that never existed to begin with. Meanwhile North Korea and Iran were building away while we fought for the fuel to power our oversized SUV’s.

And while all this talk of terrorism plagues the United States it allows the administration the ability to erode our rights as American Citizens that our forefathers fought for. All day the media is instilling a sense of fear in the public that tricks many of us into believing that what we need is more security.

It saddens me that while these troops are fighting for what they believe is a just war, to the government they are merely expendable pawns to utilize in the fattening of their wallets.

I’M MAD AS HELL, AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE EITHER!

We must all stand up and remove the wool from our eyes. Read your constitution, and then read the news and what the government is violating from the most important document in our country. Don’t believe everything the media tells you, do your research before spouting what you hear form other people, and then, THEN you too can go to your window, open is and shout at the top of your lung that you won’t take it anymore either. Hopefully by that time it won’t be too late.

Thaylin, at least there are 2 of us now. As I write this I am listening to how the Bush administration will be ‘helping’ those idiots who bought houses too large, with paychecks too little, and expected that all would be well, even though they were paying no principal on their purchases. This says nothing of the idiots who bought 2nd or 3rd houses, paying little to nothing on them, hoping to become like robber-barons of old.

Thanks for the comment.