I haven’t been back here since the day after the new format [which I don't like, should anyone care], but just took a look at the RSS feed. I was sure it was your post. Now let me say some things, and ask some questions, but know beforehand that I in no way wish to offend you.

Some of what you speak of is right out of a book by Erik von Daniken, called ‘Chariots of the Gods?’. I read it, and several others, which all followed some of the same format, when I was a teenager. You see I was, and am, curious, but also know I was brought up in a Pentecostal church. While I have those beliefs, I am still open to reading about this sort of thing, because it is good to be aware of all that is around oneself.

I have never heard of Eric Stetson, but he seems totally in line with von Daniken, and I’ll bet that is where some of this comes from.

I also have a wife who was brought up in the Mormon church, and while they wish for the outside world to see them as ‘just as normal as the other Chistian chruches’ they are not. They believe that God is just a man who transcended into godhood by works in time. They believe that he lives on some planet called Kolob, and that all good Mormons will one day be ‘God’ also. Now this may be, but I don’t happen to think so. It also seems to have been ‘revealed’ to the Mormon prophet around the same time that von Daniken became popular, so you probably can see why my skepticism.

I know that there are things in the Bible that don’t make sense, and it seems that if we try to make them make sense, we lessen God.

Now about the coffers of the churches, and the ministers…I agree totally. This is one of the many things the Mormon church gets right, and if I could believe what they do as to doctrine, I would be one. They also get the idea of preaching the gospel, and loving one’s neighbor. As I said, I wish I could go along with the doctrine, because as for what goes on here on Earth, the Mormons are great. So sign me up for that second wife!

So, if I might ask, how were you raised? Do you still consider that to be your faith?

I am also aware of those who would say that we, as a society today, would seem godlike in what we can accomplish. Then if you look back in the Bible, can anyone truly say we could accomplish what is spoken of there?

Dear Marc

I am not at all offended. FIrst let me answer your question. My parents turned to Catholicism when I was 7 and sent me to parochial school. My folks died when I was 9 and I was raised in foster care from that point onward and experienced a lot of other faiths from Espiscopalian, to Baptist, and finally to the Assembly of Gods.

I have several family members who are Mormon. I agree that some of their doctrine is totally off the wall but their concept of love their brother is good and they seem to be good people as a general rule.

I currently have a hard time with any church due to encounters I have had with them and the harsh judgements and dishonesty I have personally witnessed by the ministers involved.

I do, however, believe totally in THe Bible and the Cross and would never chance blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

I have of late been studying other cultures and religions to determine why they believe what they do. Some of them appear to be based on the rantings of lunatics even though the followers seem to really believe.

Overall, the concept of God coming from another planet was one that was introduced to me by a Bible scholar almost 30 years ago. At the time I dismissed it as bogus but since then I have been willing to open my mind to other possibilities. That being said this is the most plausible explanation that seems to fit in with scripture that I have found.

I hope this answers your questions as to where I am coming from.

Have a wonderful day and as always I was glad to hear your opinion. Jackie

Since I wrote the above, I have gone to the website that Eric Stetson has. It is truly amazing. Very informative. I had previously known very little about Baha’i. I knew that Seals and Croft, the duo that sang ‘Summer Breeze’ and ‘Diamond Girl’ in the ’70s were Baha’i. I have never met one, or seen a gathering place for them. I also did not know that they were essentially an offshoot of Islam. Strange how they would suffer some of the same problems.

As I was saying before, I had ‘Chariots of the Gods?’ and several other books from my teen years. Unfortunately a flood took many of my books a couple of years ago, and I can’t remember what the other books were. The books of von Daniken are available on Amazon I believe, should you wish to take a look.

Dear Marc

Thanks for the info. I am always curious about learning new things. Have a great afternoon. Jackie

Just read your article, and while it is an interesting read, I feel it may do more harm to people than good. Your viewpoints on ministers is very contrary to my personal experience (being a pastor’s son, and planning on becoming one some day) I can tell you that no minister I have ever known, who was truly a man of faith, had money like you describe. They pay for their own houses, and their own vehicles, vacations and insurance out of the average (at best) salary they receive from their church. I know for a fact that the pastor at the church I attend maintains a modest salary of under $40k CAD. Most of which always finds it’s way into other people’s hands when they need it most.

In summary you should probably be more careful before making broad generalizations in order to support your opinion, as you will rebuff more readers than you’ll gain. You may also wish to take a look at some grass-roots or non-denominational churches to see what real Christians are like. Maybe you’ll find what you’re looking for.

God bless.

Chad S.

Great stuff. I hope that this way of thinking will hopefully become more prevalent so we all can move on from our semi-middle age we are living in. Time for rational and sober thinking to take over. I used to think these things were absurd as they were ridiculed as such but there are now enough books out there with history and rational reasoning behind them to discern the actual history of earth and our real reality rather than just our perceived one.

Regards
André

I’ve had 4 beers preparing for bed–only reason I’m writing is to read it tomorrow to see what I say?

Motivated more by that tv child star that was on tv last night on Nightline with “proof without resorting to faith” that God exists. You see==creation exists therefore a creator exists. I love the notion that most creators of things are actually groups of entities–not single entities but a single alien(s) is just as good. And why not the devil himself–? God could be on 10 to the googleplex planets walking around conversing with those good aliens 24/7 (each and everyone of them!) and to spite Gawd, the devil made Earth as a corrupt characature with Gods absence. Woot!!!!!!!Q!!!!!!!!!!! ((That “Q” was a typo–or was it a devine intervention from the Q continuum?))

Kurt Carmoron was his name I think. Dopes. Every single one of them. //// Bobbo.

Dear Cysec

Thank you for visiting my site. I am sorry that my thoughts bothered you. However, I assure you that what I presented is not just random thinking. I have personally known ten preachers from CA that had exactly what I stated in their accounts and didn’t help the poor.

These pastors were not the Jimmie Bakers they were regular guys with congregations of 300 or less. I left the church perse after one of them refused to help a family with children who had found themselves on the street through no fault of their own. I had seen enough as this had just been the topping on the cake.

I still believe in the basic Bible principles just not in main stream churches and their preachers. I believe in helping others as the need arises rather than contributing to a church where the edifice is more important than the people who attend. I believe in forgiveness rather than gossip and having the preacher served and cut up for dinner after Sunday’s sermon.
I believe in honesty instead of using the term Christian to get people to believe you and then stiff them on a bill.

I do realize that one can’t look at all Christians as hypocrites and warmongers but Bush is a perfect example in my eyes of someone who uses Jesus to get ahead rather than following his example. I do have friends and family that are different than the many I have seen and have hearts that seek to do right and that I love and respect but for the most part I am sorry but I will continue to seek the truth and to live by the principle of “Do unto others as you would like them to do unto you.”

Have a good day. Jackie

Dear Andre

Thank you for visiting. Your thoughts are always appreciated. I am glad that you are open-minded enough to consider all possiblities. That is really all I am intending to do, give people food for thought.

Have a wonderful day. Jackie

Dear Leaglebob

Thank you for visiting my site. I agree that maybe you had a little more than normal. My intent was to share some possibilities that I feel could be available. I really don’t think that Lucifer had anytning to do with creation. Ultimately, be it through the means of other plantary visits, the big bang, or evolution through creation I fully believe that God (A super human or intelligent lifesource) created earth and man.

While evil now seems to rule on earth I do not think that was the intent when earth was created since there are still many good people on earth. I hope that under normal circumstances you would agree.

Have a wonderful day. Jackie

You forgot to mention the Raelians. They believe in something very similar to what you have just explained.

I was raised an evangelical, but I have come to agree with these conclusions independently. I do not agree that the beings (some in particular) are at all benign or helpful - the individual known to the Hebrews and worshipped as Jehovah, the one who led them through the desert for 40 years in a pillar of a cloud, etc., was remarkably cruel, evil, demanding, sadistic, and psychotic intelligence. He burned people alive for not following protocol, sometimes innocents just for an example, and these are HIS people, not even mentioning what he had in store for for the enemies, nothing short of mass genecide. I feel this was not the creator of the universe, though he/it may have had a hand in manipulating human evolution, but was in fact a highly evolved, technologically and perhaps genetically powerful being who also happened to be a sociopath of perhaps galactic proportions. Maybe even very long lived, so the prophecies of the “second coming” may indeed have merit, and the innate fear of religious peoples may indeed have a practical basis in reality.

You only cite 1 religion spanning 2,000 years, which has a relatively small following on a world-wide scale. Seems a little narrow to be drawing such grand conclusions from. The Vedas would be a much more accurate account from which to write this article, as it dwarfs this religion in both followers and time in existence.

Hi, i very much enjoyed reading your article as this has been a topic I have been interested in for awhile. Do you know another places where I could do some reading on this? Please email me.

Thanks.

Your idea of God as the alien being is very refreshing. Your idea won’t offend me but you may have already offended millions of Christians out there. LOL… though I do not really care if they were offend by your writing or not, and I think more peoples should be encounter with similar writing like your. Why? So their ancient minds can be open up a bit more.

Could God be an Extraterrestrial Being? « Reflections…

Some comparatively new belief systems and books portray God as an extraterrestrial, holding that intelligent beings from another world have been visiting Earth for many thousands of years, and have influenced the development of our religions….

If you have not seem them already, the Origins and Oracles dvds by Michael Tsarion for further education on this subject. He points to references in bible and other sacred text as you do. The one on Atlantis is the one like this blog, they are all good and informative thoough.

Thanks for writing this article. Reading it gave me something to do for a couple of minutes. I could believe the possibility of extra-terrestrial life and even in the possibility (although unlikely probability) that such interaction transpired on earth. However, I don’t see how you get interstellar travel from “shall come up as clouds, and his chariots shall be as a whirlwind”. Even in ancient days they understood concepts like boats. I could see if the bible said something like “and the supreme being came to the world on a boat that travel beyond the reaches of mankind”… but your metaphores are so loose they are not credible as any sort of reference to anything other than the actual wind and clouds. Finally, the scary thing is, if you were right, and god is an alien, we’re going to have to put up with a lot of crap from the scientologists.

By not going to church because of the sins of the minister you are only punishing yourself, and possibly the people who need help and are not receiving it from the preachers. I have friends that no longer attend church for many of the same reasons that are mentioned above. I try to explain to them that anything man is involved with will be imperfect: the government, the police, and the church for example. And even though it is frustrating to see the minister say one thing and do another, or have the church hound you for donations, or see police brutality, or experience governmental corruption, the fact of the matter is: that if the good people keep turning away there will be nothing good left of these institutions.

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Hi Jackie–thanks for the response. Woke up real slow, still had the toothache I need to be fixed, and was happy to see I posted what I thought I had.

I forgot to add what others have posted but is worth repeating–as anti-god/religion as I am, I still think it is “unfair” to burden that idea with the false prophets abusing the faithfull==which you can find everywhere on every subject. God should be free of such associations, other than he lets it happen?

I also don’t think those bible passage support the notion of extra-terrestrials at all. Why would metal spaceships be described as clouds? If the bible said God came in a shining boat in the sky, then you would have a text based argument instead of the total projection you use.

Lets do a thought experiment==>imagine the universe created naturalistically from the big bang/evolution thereof. Wouldn’t this existential universe look exactly like it does now? In other words, why would god create a universe that does not look like he exists? Of course, Kurt Cameron would see god working in everything that occurs. Words have their limits. /// Bobbo.

I find this article rather humerous.

It tickles me to no end that people who find it so hard to believe in a God that exists and has always existed and yet does not exist as we do, can so quickly believe in “little green men” and think that He who created the heavens and the earth is one of them.

I’d say that this falls under the heading of either Mormonism or Scientology.

I guess G.K. Chesterton was correct when he said “He who does not believe in God will believe in anything.”

Beam me up Scotty…

I believe God is an Astronaut(not the musical group). I’m just afraid that they created us as an alternative to reincarnation on their planet. This may be a real life Matrix movie, with billions of people hypnotized into thinking they will go to heaven. Why would God lie and pretend to be the creator of the infinite universe? Maybe he is some after life Genghis Khan or like in old egypt Pharoh was considered a living God by his own people. Or is he just a Planet of Dr. Moreau character, just as hard on his creations, but loving those that accept his half breed son Jesus?

There is a book which is quoted in the epistle of Jude, callled the book of Enoch. It was considered by the church fathers such as Uraneaus to be canon though it does not appear in the old testament because later on it was considered to be heresy. However, the book of Enoch is similar to the book Ezekiel which does appear in the old Testament and their descriptions of the spirit and the vision of how they were elevated to heaven are very similar. Enoch though also had several encounters with God but he was taken away in the end and never came back.” Enoch walked with God and was no more” Please read a book called the spaceships of Ezekiel which gives you a rocket scientists perspective on the descriptions in the book of Ezekiel.

spiritual guidance…

I don’t agree with you in 100%, but you covered some good points regarding this topic……

Dear Dee

Thank you for the info. I will definitely check out the The Spaceships of Ezekiel. I am interested in this theory because it makes sense to me. I also knew about Jacob’s ladder and the story of Ezekiel which both sounded like extraterrestrial encounters. Have a good day. Jackie

Dear Jackie. Thanks for your response. Another interesting point is that in Genesis, there is mention of how giants who had been the result of cross breeding between the Angels and human females (the daughters of men) caused much destruction and havoc and that as a result of these, God sent the great flood to get rid of them. In the book of Enoch, he actually names the leaders of the angels who had defied God and the fact that these rebellious angels taught men heavenly secrets that God did not want man to know. In particular one of them called Azazel taught man how to make weapons from metal. Swords, shields and also taught human females how to make cosmetics to beautify themselves. Subjects such as astrology were also taught to man. From Enoch’s accounts it is clear that Azazel was the one that appears to have faced the bulk of God’s wrath and Raphael was dispatched to mete out punishment to him. Certainly it appears that there was a rebellion in “heaven” against God and according to Enoch, Shamzaya the leader of these angels who are named as the Grigori had asked them if he was going to face the wrath of defiance alone or if the others would join him and they had all indicated to him that they would go along with him. The main issue it appears was that these Angels had lusted after the human female form and took them for wives against God’s wish. Now as I said before, the book of Enoch does not appear in the old testament because some church fathers did not like it but then if it was heresy, why is it consistent with Genesis and the epistle of Jude which are canon? But more to the point, who was God? Enoch was taken away. Who took him? I prefer for people to answer these questions for themselves.

I agree with some of the thing you are talking about and it is very interesting i would like to no more about the bible and flying saucer and extra terrestrial.

Hi! I just want to first of all say WOW! I am so very overwhelmed with joy to see an idea so similar to what I have been tossing around in my mind for some time now. To see it written out by someone else and not just a thought, is exciting for me. I have attempted to put all of it into words for people around me, but have been met with crazy looks, and laughs. So to see someone else share this theory, and use these exact scriptures, which I might add, I am very familiar with, is completely mind-blowing for me. I truly thank you for sharing your thoughts.