Smoking Does Not Cause Cancer

regardless, the simple fact that ciggarets (sp?) kill cells mean that they aren’t good for the body, and therefore should not be smoked. the body should not have to rebuild those cells.

In your last sentence you write that it’s ok to smoke. What about the other adverse effects of smoking. Cigarettes aren’t okay to consume.

Isn’t it funny how 90 percent of those who get lung cancer either smoke, or just recently quit smoking. Cigarettes have more than a little bit to do with lung cancer. And they don’t help with other types of cancers, heart disease, and severe respiratory problems. There isn’t a more hazardous product for legal sale today than cigarettes.

No more than a fall from a 30 story building kills people – it’s that reapid deceleration trauma at the end that does it… However in both cases the issue is simply being obfuscated.

Not only is this a really silly statement, it’s extremely irresponsible to even allude to the fact that MIGHT be ok to smoke, because your going to get cancer anyway…

Having had parents that suffered through emphysema and eventually dying of lung cancer, I can tell you smoking kills. No two ways about it.

They may be been “predisposed” to cancer, but if they hadn’t continuously and aggressively damaged their cells for decades, cancer wouldn’t have cropped up… not to mention the myriad of other tolls smoking takes on the person (financially, quality of life, etc).

I see your posting to get response and be controversial, which is cool and something I totally understand (and I’m for it). Just be a little more responsible with your posts, and don’t write something that can be construed as it’s ok to smoke… for all of our sakes.

So to take the 30 story fall analogy further: we shouldn’t tell people not to jump from the top of a building, we should tell them not to land?

Perhaps that example is a little extreme: how about jaywalking?

Jaywalking doesn’t kill but SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASES your risk of death from automotive impact, so we try to stop people from jaywalking.

It’s amazing what crackpot ideas people get when they have no idea of anatomy, physiology, chemistry, etc, etc

The cells of the lining of the respiratory tract, as well as the surface of the body (skin) are constantly dying and being replaced. In fact, the surface of your skin consists entirely of dead skin cells. The living cells are quite a bit below the surface.

The rays of the sun, as well as certain chemicals in cigarette smoke damage the DNA and other parts of the mechanism that allows for the production of millions of new skin cells (or respiratory epithelium cells) per day. As a result of this damage, some of these cells become cancerous.

So, Cigarettes and sunlight cause cancer in exactly the way that the writer claims they don’t.

I’ve had cancer twice and this is the best book I’ve read (out of 10) about the Big C. It covers mind, body & spiritual causes of cancer. No need to be too alarmed about exterior “cancerous causes”, just get your life and emotions in order and the body will heal itself. But I think smoking does put oneself in danger of illnesses including cancer…emphysema, lung probs, throat problems, etc.

Cancer Is Not A Disease! It’s A Survival Mechanism
by Andreas Moritz

http://www.naturalnews.com/022578.html

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I agree with you completely. Baking in the sun and smoking a few packs a day should not be avoided any more than playing street hockey on an expressway. They (insert benevolent non-profit group of geniuses) should instead invent collision avoidance systems for cars doing 60mph so kids wouldn’t have to worry about getting hit. After all, it’s not the parents responsibility to teach their children to “look both ways” any more than it’s their responsibility to apply sun screen to pre-pubescent bodies or admonish their 10 yr. old offspring to go easy on the Luckies. “They” should figure out everything which would keep us safe. Baby Bush and cohorts have been trying that tactic in reverse for the past 8 years.

[loved "the Oracle's" comment...says it all]

This guy would agree: http://www.davehitt.com/facts/index.html
He cites a bured WHO study.

FINALLY, someone who doesn’t have their head up their ass!

Real life scenario: My father died of esophageal cancer, not long after having triple bypass surgery. He was a smoker for most of his adult life.

Expert conclusion: He died of smoke inhalation.

Probable truth: He died from a 60 year old habit of eating barbecued pork sandwiches for lunch every day.

People believe what they are told and what they read, not necessarily the facts. I’ve read articles that state the air we breath causes cancer. This has caused the United States to turn into a Socialist Society, This way of thinking started in the 60’s when the first report came out about Saccarin causing cancer. Well, yes it is possible if a human consumes a tablespoon of pure saccarin a day for 70 years…I believe it’s in your genes what and when you get any disease. I’m more afraid of being killed by a drunk driver than I am of getting cancer from smoking or second hand smoke.

The problem with this “argument” is that it’s circular and imponderably vague. There are chemicals – carcinogens – that have fairly well known mechanisms for causing well documented mutations that cause cancer. There are well known carcinogens in tobacco smoke.

Cancer is a symptom – not a disease. There are many causes of “cancer” but, in a lot of cases, when a chemical is present, cancer occurs. When it is not present, cancer does not. That is the definition of “cause.” The fact that there are a lot of “causes” of cancer doesn’t change that. It’s like five guys shooting you. The M.E. has to decide which bullet “killed” you.

The circularity; “A human should be able to damage cells and the cells should regrow naturally regardless of how they were damaged. It’s how the body was designed.” ??? Sez who? You said it yourself in the next sentence: “I believe the cause of cancer is something deeper in the body that doesn’t allow our bodies to always rebuild cells properly.” Aliens? Nanomachines? Oops! Or did you mean by “design?” And ” It’s how the body was designed?” Is this a religious argument? I’ve got a Caecum and a Coccyx that would point to some pretty sloppy “design.” You can have my appendix and gall bladder while your at it.

I’m sorry, but this is a lame argument.

There is no solid evidence that the chemicals in cigarettes cause cancer. Also, do you really believe that the sun, the natural sunlight actually causes cancer? They are the same. Exposure to cigarettes or sunlight only increases your odds of getting cancer only because it damages cells that need to be rebuilt.

Let me tell you how this article came about. A friend of mine broke his leg. This friend didn’t smoke, do drugs or anything. He ate healthy ever day and every meal. He went to the doctor to get his leg patched up. Months later, they found cancer in every area where the leg was healing. What caused this? It wasn’t cigarettes or the sunlight or anything else you’d find a cancer warning on. His cells just didn’t rebuild properly. Something else caused the cancer. I just believe the same thing applies to all types of cancer.

Your comments are ignorant and irresponsible! As a biology teacher, I resent your attempt to “undo” in peoples minds what science has clearly shown.

From the start, you are WRONG! Smoke and UV radiation do not always kill cells. The cells they don’t kill are damaged. The thing you seek that is “deeper in the body” is DNA. That is what is damaged. When certain genes are damaged in certain ways, it causes the cells to divide uncontrollably and possibly invade other tissues or parts of the body. That is cancer and it is CAUSED by carcinogens, like cigarette smoke and UV radiation by damaging DNA in living cells!

I have skin cancer and UV radiation CAUSED it! Don’t shoot your mouth off when you don’t know what you are talking about! Ignorance is dangerous!

There’s plenty of solid evidence that there are known carcinogens in tobacco smoke. The four that are getting the most attention right now – because they exist in both smoke and smokeless tobacco – are tobacco-specific N-nitrosamines (TSNAs), N-nitrosonornicotine (NNN), 4-methyl-N-nitrosamino-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone (NNK),N-nitrosoanatabine (NAT),N-nitrosoanabasine (NAB). These are 2B carcinogens. A lot depends on the circumstances. Bathing lung cells directly with them many times a day would certainly be one of those “circumstances.”

It sounds like oztech has expanded “cigarette smoking causes a hugely increased risk of cancer” to “cigarette smoking ALWAYS causes cancer AND IS THE ONLY cause of cancer” and then arguing against that straw man.

“only because it damages cells that need to be rebuilt.” and a heart attack only causes problems because your heart malfunctions. Yeah. OK. What does that mean?

Cells don’t “rebuild” their nucleii. Maybe that’s your point but it is wrong. Cells reproduce – make new copies of themselves – that, if the DNA (or sometimes RNA) has mutated – into maybe different…. cancerous.

Chemicals can cause mutation. Ultra Viloet rays have enough energy to cause it as well as cosmic rays, gamma rays, etc.

Virus’ can do it directly. Human Papilloma Virus is linked with cervical cancer. Disturbing an existing cancer can physically spread the cancer cells.

Some cancerous tumors have traits that make them their own mini-organisms such as their own blood supply. It worries me that this can turn into “holocaust denial” by people who want to keep smoking and whistling past the graveyard.

People believe what they are told and what they read, not necessarily the facts. I’ve read articles that state the air we breath causes cancer. This has caused the United States to turn into a Socialist Society, This way of thinking started in the 60’s. I believe it’s in your genes what and when you get any disease. I’m more afraid of being killed by a drunk driver than I am of getting cancer from smoking or second hand smoke.

Right on Sandy!!!
Our Elite Socialist Society will set the rules to determine who is ‘good’ & who we will stone. They will explain that although Obama is 6% Black, 44% Muslim & 50% white they conceder him ALL Black & we shouldn’t fear beheadings in our streets when they vote him into the White House. In Obama’s own words in his book “Dreams of my Father” he admits that he will return to the Muslim ways like he was schooled as a child. Obama’s speech classes were the best investments Osma ever made. He said that he will hit us from within next time. (From the White House?)

PS: I’ve only smoked for 45 years next month & no more than 3 packs a day unless I put in some 40 hour days. At 66 I can out work most 20-40 year old kids. If I quit smoking now how will our Dumbocrat Gov. balance her budget without the $1,000.00 extra tax/fine she put on me for being a smoker? Sure glad I volunteered to serve 4 years in the USAir Force to protect somebody’s freedoms.
Freedom isn’t Free!

He agrees that smoking puts a person at an increased risk of cancer but, somehow, doesn’t think that smoking is bad for you! Now that kind of logic mind-boggling.

The argument against smoking not causing cancer is illogical, irrational, and a form of denial. I used to work at a pizza restaurant in Berkeley, Ca before and after the city banned smoking in restaurants, bars, etc. I noticed that, I would have sore throats every day, and that they would go away on my second day off and come back on my second day back at work and last the whole week. This went on until they banned smoking , which is when the sore throats disappeared altogether. I had an aunt who had emphysema who also died from her life long addiction to smoking.

Studies show that fire fighters and other people exposed to the carcinogens in fires have higher rates of respiratory diseases just like, those who smoke and who are exposed to second hand smoke. Research has proven that smoking causes cancer, and the cigarette manufactures have known this since the late 60s and early 70s and, they played ignorant the whole time. This is why they were sued for so much money, I mean even with out the asbestos and other carcinogenic chemicals found in many of the tobacco products like asbestos in cigarettes, the nicotine itself is a carcinogen.

To me, its like the people who deny that eating an unhealthy diet can kill you. Atkins folks tell you to eat any sort of protein you want, yet if you watch super size me, the guy was damaging his liver in much the same way alcoholics due by eating a high fat protein diet. I have family who were stake and potatoes every night people who all had cardiovascular problems and died before their time. I know people who are extremely over weight and who have symptoms of diabetes yet, they don’t see a doctor, they don’t seek treatment, and they fool themselves that, as long as they avoid sweets and only have symptoms on occasion they have their health under control. They also say they will work on their weight problem when they are ready to, in the mean time, they continue to gain weight.

It all comes down to human nature, that which we don’t want to face is easier to deny. Its easier for some smokers to simply deny that they are killing themselves and those around them while, they are shackled to this expensive habit at the hands of the tobacco industry. Thankfully due to bands, non-smokers like me can finally enjoy going out to a bar, restaurant, etc and being able to breath and not coming home smelling like smoke. I went to Reno recently, and even though it was off season and the place was fairly slow, I was amazed at how strong the smell of smoke was in the casinos, I would have heated to have been there during the busy season.

Similar to smokers, its easy for the person who is over weight and eats a bad diet to blame family genes, to ignore the fact they get out of breath going up stairs by avoiding them, to deny that in the long run their extra weight and poor life style will catch up to them as they age.

Studies are now showing that, when we exercise and eat a healthy diet, we turn on genes that promote good health and turn off genes the promote bad health in as little as 3 or 4 months. So, over the period of a life time, the effect can be huge. This is why an unhealthy lifestyle such as smoking, doing drugs, excessive drinking, and excessive stress promote poor health, and a healthy life style that includes a balanced diet, exercise, stress reduction, and healthy relationships promotes good health.

It has all been said by previous posts!

You are either a raving ratbag – or work in the tobacco industry!

no one can argue what you say in this article because they are all your beliefs, science i point out is not based on beliefs. You make a valid point in your belief that a human should be able to regrow damaged cells…in fact they are rebuilt all the time BUT when you repeatedly damage the same cells with chemicals 10 times a day something is bound to go wrong with the rebuilding of the cells.

Sounds a lot like my best friend’s uncle… he died of “smoking related causes” (according to the official Death Cert.).

The head-on collision with the Semi wasn’t cited as a factor.

Neither was the massive trauma to his chest caused when his steering wheel snapped and punctured his chest.

Nope… once the ME learned he smoked, the official cause of death became smoking related. When the family protested, they were told it was federal policy to either classify deaths as smoking related or they would loose Fed. funding.

If people would toss the emotional side of what they they have been brainwashed into believing, they would begin to look into it and see the actual truth.

And before anyone says I’m crazy… I smoked for over 20 years. I quit when I was diagnosed as having COPD and the early stages of emphysema. I suffered with a horrible cough for over 5 years before a new doctor diagnosed my allergy to dust. Now.. a zyrtec a day and I’m back to full health.

Jeez, Bobster. If you’re gonna pull an argument outta your own ass, it should at least be vague and somewhat believable.

First of all, “Cause of Death” has to be specific. There’s a lot of private pathologists you’re going to be fighting with in court when they try to get the insurance money – gross evidence of myocardial infarction, you have FOUND a pulmonary embolism or, in your “best friend’s uncle’s” [nudge, nudge, wink, wink] case, through and through lesion to the cardiac muscle.

“Federal policy?” “Federal policy?” Would that be from the “Office of Federal Policy” or is this part of the [fill in name of favorite federal conspiracy here] conspiracy? What federal funding does a STATE Medical Examiner get? The state loses all theirs? “Sorry, Governor. You’ve lost all your federal funding and, officially, we can’t tell you why because the press would have AN ABSOLUTE FIELD DAY WITH IT. Unoffiially it’s because all the CODs have to be listed – for some reason that no one is quite sure why – as ‘Smoking related.’ This benefits [Who? tobacco haters?????]” Still, so much for the tobacco industry conspiracy. They really lose this one, huh? You’d think with their money and lobbying power they could point out that this “Federal Policy” is so clearly idiotic.

We taper off with “I smoked 9 packs a day for 100 years and it turned out to be an allergy.” Yes! Yes! Yes! Some people can smoke a whole lot for a very long time and suffer no ill effects. The disturbing part is that SOME is a disturbingly small number. Find out why, get a Nobel prize/

I think you should stick to the tech stuff where you actually know what you’re talking about (although my guess is that you are just trolling for readership, since I find it hard to believe that anybody would take one friend who got leg cancer as the basis of his whole theory for what causes cancer).

I don’t know anything about cigarette smoke, but I do know that it has been shown that UV radiation penetrates the cells and breaks apart DNA. In fact, it has also been shown that the mechanism in your body that stimulates melanin production (what gives you a tan and protects your skin against UV radiation) is the presence of DNA fragments.

The argument “how can something as natural as sunlight cause cancer” is silly. If sunlight didn’t damage our bodies, why would evolution come up with the mechanism for melanin production in response to exposure to sunlight? Why would individuals descended from people who lived in very sunny climates have high melanin levels and individuals descended from people who lived in less sunny climates have low levels?

Science. You should check it out.

Andrew

PS. Thanks for the explanation of where iPod preferences went in the latest iTunes.

As Colonel Potter used to say, “Horse Hockey”.

Perhaps smoking doesn’t cause cancer. I smoked for 40
years and I didn’t get cancer, but I have horrible emphysema
and C.O.P.D. and smoking in my opinion did cause them.

My lung physician told me I’d probably be on oxygen by now if
I had smoked marijuana, but fortunately I never did, I was
allergic to it. Dr. said it’s effects are about 10 to 20 times worse on the body that regular tobacco.

everyone can think what they want and you dont have to agree with oztech and you also dont have to agree with the media and influenced medical studies either.

I smoke. I know its bad for me but so is breathing the pollution. I know of people who have died from Lung Cancer and never smoked a single cigarette or cigar in their life.

A few personal facts…

My Mom was a 3-pack-a-day smoker, Pall Mall red. Died at age 75 from kidney failure. Her last physical showed perfectly clear, healthy lungs. She was a stubborn Florida rebel who sincerely believed that all of the “smoking causes cancer” talk was BS. I’m quite sure hers was a case of mind over matter.

My Dad was also the same type of smoker and died at a very young 62 years old, of lung cancer.

I never smoked a day in my life, only had a teenage flirtation with pot and cocaine. Yet at age 31 I developed a very rare form of fat cancer. The docs had no idea where it came from.

My 22 y.o. niece just had an ovary removed, cancer. This despite being a vegetarian from the age of 7!

Does smoking cause cancer? Maybe not directly. But it doesn’t help either. I occasionally smoke a pipe and have a couple of beers or a shot of Jack. I figure I need to be a bad boy once in a while! And it’s been my understanding that the chemical additives in cigarettes are a bigger suspect than the tobacco itself. That combined with the fact that most cigarette smokers inhale deeply, something pipe and cigar smokers are not as likely to do.

Actually, sunlight PREVENTS many cancers–in the right doses. (via vit. D production)
It’s only overexposure that damages the skin that leads to the various cancers.

I just think the studies need to be way more detailed in order for them to be convincing or productive. Most regular smokers I talk to go through like two packs a day. How on earth are they smoking that much? I smoke like four of them a day. And that’s how I’ve done it on and off for years How much exactly is being giving to rats in the studies. Is it comparable to the amount we give ourselves? Are the studies only one those cigarettes with additives or do they include natural too. I can see how repeatedly badgered cells would have problems reproducing. And eventually start building some solidly nasty bugger cells we call cancer…too tough and out of control for the body. I think lots of other stuff comes into play with it too. If you are really strong and healthy, your body may never produce those cells. I think what it comes down to, is if you have a wound and you never let that heal, and just keep picking at it, it rebels. Some people get injured with smoking others don’t . I’d like to know more about that. Like it was mentioned by many here, the air in some places is so bad that its the same as smoking. I also like to be a bad girl and take risks. I figure life is badgering me enough and with all that stress, it doesn’t really matter the amount that I’m smoking. My stress is having a bigger effect on my health that smoking is. Just my thoughts.

please visit this link – It’s one of those findings the World Health Organization doesn’t want you to read because it’s so politically incorrect right now they’d get blasted out of the water.

I fully agree with the original post – people need to get off their self-righteous asses about smoking. These people rip new ones to smokers every day when they feed their children GMO foods – which have absolutely no long term study whatsoever – , clean their homes with chemicals that can do damage way faster than a cigarette. People eat fast food, drink alchohol, sit and watch television 4 hours a day and they have the nerve to jump all over smokers for lighting up!

Cancer is developed automatically by the body through cell replication – cancerous cells become malignant after 30 – 60 replications on average, putting the average cancer appearance at age 45 – 65. Sometimes it happens earlier and sometimes later. Why have smoking rates drastically declined and yet cancer levels (lung and all other types) drastically increased during that entire duration. Everybody jumping all over smoking on here is so indoctrinated by media that it’s sickening. Not to mention, what business of it is yours if I want to smoke.

BTW – I am not a smoker, so I’m not touting this because I do it myself. I just think people should mind their own backyard.

Here are two URLS. One is an overview of the WHO study on smoking directly causing lung cancer in the smoker.

The second is a study done by WHO (btw both of these are brushed under the rug for obvious reasons) that shows there is NO RISK OF CANCER FROM SECOND HAND SMOKE, and that it can actually have a PREVENTATIVE effect (lolol I love it!).

http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Editorials/Vol-1/e1-4.htm

http://www.forces.org/evidence/files/pas-smok.htm

Of course I’ll probably get posts blasting me for publishing this, but hey, I have fully read both pieces and i’ll know if you’re just spitting more anti-smoking dogma b/s…. and I’ll blast your anonymous ass for it.

Nearly all scientific finding are extremely detailed, so detailed in fact that you would need to be in that particular field of research to understand the damn things. So the people who say there is no evidence or whatever are full of crap. There has been evidence for years. Idiots just cant understand it and prefer to read an article written by another idiot who doesnt understand it. All the time the majority of scientists with thousand of combined years of training and experience is telling you that smoking causes cancer. They have test groups comprising hundreds and/or thousands of test subject and samples. They spend months analysing the findings and they publish a completely unbiased report.

You guys quote 2 or 3 examples of how your dad smoked and didnt get cancer. How about the other 20 people who did smoke and got cancer? I do not care if you people smoke, in fact I am glad a lot of you retards do smoke, hopefully kill you off quicker. But it is because you smoke around other people who choose not to smoke and force your choices on them that I do not like smoking.

Nicotine is not a known carcinogen.
Non smoking white males in the U.S. have a 1 percent risk of lung cancer per lifetime.
Smoking white males in the U.S. have an 8 percent risk of lung cancer per lifetime.
Just because most people that get lung cancer smoke doesn’t mean it is the cause.
There is no study that proves that second hand smoke increases the risk of lung cancer, even in children.
Before you get emotional and start spouting about a loved one who died or a study you heard on the news you should look up real FACTS.
Just because 87% of people who get lung cancer were smokers doesn’t mean that 87% of smokers die of lung cancer.
Learn how to read and how to think before you go taking other peoples rights away lest we become society that lives indoors for fear of anything that will bring us harm. Trade all our freedoms for security in the name of fear of death or pain.

The person who stated that 90% of smokers who smoke or recently quit got cancer is an absolute lie.

My-step dad smoke for 40 years and has never got cancer.

My mom who is 75 got cancer last year and has never smoke in her life. A man I worked with got cancer and never smoked, my aunt got cancer and never smoked.

He’s right, smoking cigarettes doesn’t cause cancer. Something else does. Because people get it without smoking and some people get it while smoking, but that doesn’t mean it is caused by cigarettes.

only 30% of canser is caused buy smoking. although, 90 % of lung canser victums die.

For all of you claiming, “but the research proves it…” that is a cop out. Research proves nothing, it’s all interpretation of supposed facts. Science is never definite like you want it to be. Some people need “proof” because they are uncomfortable with uncertainity. Life is one big uncertainity, deal with it – enjoy life because you could be killed crossing the street, flying in a plane or driving down the road. Practice moderation and consume what the planet and not man has produced.

The transition from “Studies show that [smoking / sun damage cells] …” to “I believe that…” made me rage hard.

If you’re going to write an unfounded opinion piece, write an unfounded opinion piece. Don’t state your beliefs as fact and don’t belittle the rest of us by trying to be sleight-of-hand with your articles.

If your point is “Let’s put some time into figuring out why cells reproduce incorrectly,” that’s fine. It’s also a focus of cancer research that has been partially answered:
The things that “kill” the cells don’t simply kill cells. They damage cells in several ways, including damaging the DNA contained in the nucleus. If the cell reproduces, the damaged DNA is copied to a new cell.

OMG we all gotta die anyways so if you feel like smoking then smoke if you feel like jumping off a bridge then jump!! geeez

How can most of you even try to post a scientific finding when you can’t even spell. If you did find these facts from a credible source I am sure you would of copied word for word. Of course, you could of pulled it right out of your ass which explains the ignorance. What’s the point of posting if you have any personal bias in any direction. I believe it’s clear that almost all of you do. You post just to ramble and get your opinions across while ignoring the facts. STOP IT!