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As I mentioned elsewhere, beta 1 of Firefox 3.1 is available.

Please read this description of one of its features:

Another major feature that is included in this release is Mozilla’s new implementation of the W3C Geolocation Specification. It allows web applications to obtain information about the user’s geographical location through a simple JavaScript API. In beta 1, this functionality is built on top of the Loki web service, which is supplied by Skyhook and determines the user’s position by comparing local WiFi access points with information in its global reference database. For privacy reasons, the browser will automatically prompt the user before supplying a web site with geolocation data.

This is just creepy.

I’m probably one of the few who will make this observation but that’s what makes it so much fun (or misery) to read this blog.  The browser will prompt you before giving up your data.

Have you heard the phrase “slippery slope”?

I’m working hard (internally) to come up with a good reason for this `service’ and drawing a rather extended blank.

  • Why would any site have a reason to know where you are?
  • Why would you want any site to know where you are?

Every recently manufactured cell phone comes with an internal GPS, whether or not you want one.  You can be traced by the GPS or cell tower signal difference.  Your carrier will hand it over without so much as a please on the part of [insert generic law enforcement agency].

Now your flippin’ computer can be used to trace you?  This doesn’t sound like a very desirable feature.

In fact, the only benefit would be to advertisers and retail establishments (and the aforementioned law enforcement agency).  Or if you’re surfing from a hot air balloon that’s rapidly losing altitude.

Maybe there is some other benefit that I’m missing.  If you know of one, please let me and everyone else know via the comments.

Am I going to try it?  The jury’s still out on that one.

I know I’m going to get poo-pooed on this but I gotta be me.

5 Comments

The location service doesn’t even work for me. Something with my ISP, I assume.

I’m not sure how Firefox locates you but for general location all they have to do is check your IP address. This is not new, thats why I get ads specific for my region while viewing your page.

I have no reason to hide…. do you?

Eric - it uses a some sort of java and service called loki, iirc.

Bob - you know me,.,… my life’s an open book… especially if you’re a jackbooted thug. Speaking of which, how’s the old uniform looking? :)

“I have no reason to hide… do you?” Bobzilla, seriously? I mean, you are not *really* using that specious “argument” are you?

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/10/nsas_warrantles.html

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/07/privacy_and_the.html

As one of the comments in the latter post says, “Surely the argument is not if we have got anything to hide or not but if we trust the people who are looking.” Do you trust the US government not to do anything (else!) illegal? I sure as hell don’t.

And from the PDF mentioned in the latter post: ‘By saying “I have nothing to hide,” you are saying that it’s OK for the government to infringe on the rights of potentially millions of your fellow Americans, possibly ruining their lives in the process. To me, the “I have nothing to hide” argument basically equates to “I don’t care what happens, so long as it doesn’t happen to me.’

Bad idea, slippery slope…

You can gather this information without that… just google ‘geolocation api’. Many sites use it (including this one) to target certain audiences in advertisement and content distribution.

Can I get your phone number and address with it? No.. not unless the ISP gave it out, which they won’t, and are legally not allowed to… yet.

What Do You Think?

 

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