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OK, so overall I am relatively happy with my DLink DGL-4300. Compared to those crap-tacular Linksys and Belkin routers sitting on the floor next to the trash can, I generally feel good about the performance offered by this higher-end consumer level router. One thing is for sure, I am rebooting it a lot less than I have been my Comcast DVR lately. To be fair though, the responsibility of getting that issue resolved falls squarely on my shoulders as I have simply not had the time to get the darn thing replaced.
But I digress, what is the final consensus on my existing router? Is this a router that I feel is doing the job at a level that meets with my needs? Thus far, I have felt good about recommending it. Both for myself and to other family members who have been enjoying what it offers.
With that said, I still cannot shake the feeling that I need (want) more from my router. Something a little less “consumer-ish” and more toward a SoHo level option. Considering my budget, I have managed to locate a couple of options that I would love to hear some feedback regarding these models. They are as follows:
- HotBrick SoHo 401W - Wireless Router
- Cisco 850 Series Integrated Services Router
Why these two models? Mainly the reviews seemed to be good overall. Then again, I still have some reservations on the lower priced “HotBrick”. Speaking as someone who like Greg, has “bricked” a stack himself, I am interested in spending a few extra bucks to ensure stability more than security.
So there we have it. Two router choices with the door open for other non-consumer level router alternatives. I would love to hear your suggestions, just hit the comments section aboveto sound off.
[tags]router,cisco,broadband,internet,linksys,netgear,dlink[/tags]

23 Comments
marc klink
April 7th, 2007
at 6:20am
Why not try Smoothwall? The basic version is free and provides some very advanced features [like I've never seen on any home or soho box], and if you need more the paid versions have add-in modules and real support options. [This assumes you have, or can get a spare PC...everyone who reads these blogs does, don't they?]
Matt Hartley
April 7th, 2007
at 6:23am
I have been giving it some thought, perhaps I simply need to take the plunge. :)
Brett Kreykes
April 7th, 2007
at 7:15am
Matt,
I use a Cisco 871W and I really like it. I never have to reboot it, which is one of the main reasons I moved away from the consumer grade routers. I also have 4 VLANs, one being a guest VLAN. Two SSIDs, one being on the guest VLAN. The guest VLAN is invaluable when I have a virus infested machine to work on or have guests in my home. Since I provide services via the Internet for my customers, I needed 2 static IPs on the WAN interface — works great! For me, it was well worth the money and comes highly recommended!
-b
Robert E. Lee
April 7th, 2007
at 7:33am
Cisco GOOD, Linksys CRAP.
Garth
April 7th, 2007
at 8:36am
Check out Apple’s Airport Extreme…
http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/
Robert Kubichek
April 7th, 2007
at 8:51am
If you do not want to try smoothwall, I would definetly go with the Cisco 850,
as statefull packet Firewall is darned important..
If you have a spare PC, using Smothwall or any of the other Linux firewall
distros is the way to go as a PC firewall set up correctly can handle much more traffic than any of the entry level small office routers.
Bob
Raymond Combs
April 7th, 2007
at 12:07pm
Have you seen the article on “hacking” the Linksys WRT54GL? You run two software programs, and they change the router to a “commercial” equivalent unit. You have access to a myriad of settings plus you can up the output! Normal power for home units is 28 mw. I currently have mine at 70 mw (for 6 months), with no problems. They say you can run at 100 mw, but above 130 mw may overheat the unit.
John
April 8th, 2007
at 8:34am
Hi Matt,
I’ve hacked the firmware on a WRT54Gv4 and it works nice for home use. I also picked up a cisco 871W for around $300 after Cisco Academy and really like that unit but you need to learn cisco command line to get the most out of it. I’m currently using a Checkpoint Safe@Office 400w that I really like. Very full featured and easy to use. Only down side is the yearly subscription for firmware updates which I recommend are done manually only when needed.
Sam
April 8th, 2007
at 1:55pm
This is probably getting old already, but I feel compelled to say…
FIRST!
Well, not really.
Shadligh Dale
April 9th, 2007
at 10:58am
@ Robert E Lee … “Cisco GOOD, Linksys CRAP”
Erm Linksys WRT54GL with the Tomato www.polarcloud.com) or DDWRT www.dd-wrt.com) Firmware on is FAR from crap. You OBVIOUSLY did some research there before posting THAT comment. Before Linksys opened up thier (I agree) crap firmware (like 3/4 years ago now) then yes you comment would be true, Time you crawled out of that cave you are obviously living in.
The Linksys with those Firmwares on it is far better than anything you can get at that price range, unless you want to spen $500+ on a router, which most of you here wont… Get a life and give REASONS why they are crap, coz you are obviously just going off an old comment that someone made years ago when things were different back then,…
Tim
April 10th, 2007
at 6:59am
Cisco routers, even their SOHO models do not allow for DNS reflection (connecting to a website, that exists on your internal network, via it’s public address, from inside your network). This may not be a big deal but something to consider, especially if doing alot of hosting from your network. Other than that, the Cisco 850 is solid. For a more economical solution, take a look at Zyxel’s Zywall 2+ series. It is reasonably low priced ($161.99 at Newegg), very stable, performs well, and is secure. Setup may be confusing for newbies but not a problem for mid level and above - and certainly easier than Cisco’s SDM or CLI, with none of the SDM’s quirks. I’ve placed the Zywall 2+ or the Zywall 2 at all of my SMB customers (and a few private users). They have had 0 downtime due to router/firewall issues and no complaints due to performance (that can be traced back to the Zywall).
Dan
April 10th, 2007
at 8:53am
I would third the Linksys router with third-party firmware on it. It becomes a very capable unit, and the hardware is fairly stable. I’ve had one unit running for almost two years with only two re-boots. I’ve been using the DD-WRT and HyperWRT firmware packages for a while.
The other advantages of the Linksys WRT54xx series are
1) the hardware is very inexpensive, and fairly widely available, which is not the case with the Cisco or the HotBrick.
2) The firmware is open-source, and as such requires no subscription to get updates or bug-patches.
I’ve also used the DGL-4300, and the major difference I see is that it has GigE on the LAN side, which the Linksys does not.
paul
April 11th, 2007
at 12:30am
Don’t know if they are available in the USA, but have a look at Draytek. Very solid, we use them extensively
JP
April 11th, 2007
at 1:44am
Chalk up another recommendation for the WRT54G[X] series with third-party firmware. I have been using mine for about 4 years iirc. I started with the Sveasoft firmware, but moved to DD-WRT about a year ago. The only problem that I had was with the IP cache on the unit and p2p applications. But, a bit of RTFMing and I found the setting in DD-WRT to change to fix that.
-JP
Reinier
April 11th, 2007
at 9:38am
Like other people on here said; smoothwall is THE way to go . The basic free version has tons of options already. If you browse their forums there are tons of add ons to expand it. I’ve used it for a few years now and it’s been rock solid and secure. Sometimes months go by between reboots, and even then I have to reboot because I installed a patch or add ons which require a reboot. It’s very very good. I even installed and add-on that monitors the status of the cable modem ! Get it.Installs are easy, even for people not known with linux.
E. Douglas Jensen
April 11th, 2007
at 1:07pm
I don’t understand why everyone thinks only about routers — hardware firewalls usually have all the router functionality plus much more firewall functionality than the zero to vestigial amount that routers have. I suspect the reason all the columnists etc ignore firewalls is that they are more expensive than routers.
E. Douglas Jensen
April 11th, 2007
at 1:09pm
(Please pardon the typo in my previous message email address)
e
April 13th, 2007
at 6:42am
I like the idea of open firmware for Linksys but can you get the routers anymore?? The firmware doesn’t work on the newer versions.
pj
April 13th, 2007
at 2:04pm
3rd party firmwares work up to but not including version 7, ebay is defintley your friend when it comes to wrt54g routers, and its a peice of cake to flash the new firmware
I just did it and all i can say is wow
Art C
April 16th, 2007
at 5:03am
Don’t know about availability in your market, we have had very good results with Netgear products.
The DG834G in this network has been ticking along for several months without issues or resets.
There are also two WG602’s running as a bridge to another site, neither of which have been powered down or reset in months.
Good security (WPA) and easy to set up. We ran our own aggressive attack on the system to try breaking it without success and have yet to have issues with external attacks getting past the firewall.
I have several client sites running Netgear products, all without issues.
Overall a thumbs up for a product range about half the cost of equivalent Cisco products (which I do install on Government sites - but they have more money than brains!)
Hogan
April 16th, 2007
at 5:35am
Love to see you get an anntenna for your DLINK, they do not make omni directional anntennas for their shitty product. LINKSYS is endorsed by CISCO. Enough SAID!
You obviously are a end user and do not need the proper port forwarding functions.
Eric
April 16th, 2007
at 6:00am
I use a Cicso 851 to run a small office environment. Approximately 25 PC’s, exchange, 2 small domains locally. I love it. Setup and use are excellent and have only needed to reboot once in 6 months. SDM is not for a newbie but anyone with some basic router configuration experience can handle the step up to this.
millia
April 16th, 2007
at 9:58am
Add another thumbs-up for DD-WRT. We use it all the time to make bridges for ‘portable classrooms’- you can wire up a trailer with a WRT-54GL and wired drops for less than a 1/4 the cost of doing it the by-the-fire-code way using fiber. We have units up over a year now without reboots, even with boosted power.
At home, it works great, with the caveat that you might have to tell netfilter to allow more concurrent connections.
If you got burned by linksys terribly before, you can also use the DD-WRT software on Buffalo, Asus, routers, as well as ‘routerboard’ routers- very nice dependable hardware, and even a dedicated PC!
http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices