Windows 7 Will Fail To Deliver

Hello,

I think that the build of Microsoft Windows 7 released at the Professional Developers Conference this year (Milestone 3, Build 6801) is early code (Microsoft themselves referred to is as pre-beta) and that any thoughts or assumptions or comparisons between the final shipping product and Microsoft Windows Vista with Service Pack 1 are tenuous.

My thought on the subject is that Windows 7 is going to be like Windows Vista as Windows XP is to Windows 2000. Both Windows XP and Windows 2000 are based on the same major code base, NT 5.x (NT 5.0.2195 and NT 5.1.2600), however, I prefer XP over 2000 and suspect most other computer operators do as well.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

Look - what every Vista-basher seems to be missing is fairly simple to understand if you get out of the group-think mindset. Whenever Microsoft releases a new Operating System, consider it as a platform for developers and expect a few bumps along the road. How hard is it for people to understand that? It’s been this way since Win98 & Win2k. Win7 M3 is by no means a standard to judge how Win7 will be when it’s RTM / Gold. By only repeating what others have said, you’re just decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio.

Sorry, “Griff” - but you appear to be doing nothing in your post than parroting every 3rd blogger is saying in order to get some blog-cred by bashing without understanding. Win7 has some huge differences from Vista, as Vista has differences from XP. Case-in-point: In order for XP to be running smoothly, it was common practice to re-format your hard drive every 6 months or so to get rid of the crap that XP didn’t automatically get rid of. I’ve been using the same install of Vista Ultimate (clean install) since RTM and it easily out-paces XP - and this is on what would be described as a very “pedestrian” system (AMD X64 4000+, 2GB RAM, 6800GT (Yes, *6800*), 80GB HD) and this box consistantly runs circles around XP.

So what if you’re getting what appears to be a WIndows 2000 theme box? If that is how you’re judging “change” or “innovation”, please grab the next bus to “reality-town”. Win7 isn’t even in BETA RELEASE shape yet. I also would really like to call into question how you “managed to get my hands on” Win7? BitTorrent, anyone?

What the whiners aren’t getting is very simple: CLEAN INSTALLS ONLY!. Your brand-new Intel quad-core + 4BG RAM + 500GB HD + 9600GT beast is being bogged-down by crapware installed by your OEM, *not* Vista. If you want Vista to run like it should, reformat that hard drive and install a CLEAN install of Vista, and THEN install the apps you want that came from your OEM. Chances are that the same will hold true for Win7 as well.

If you doubt that there are differences between Vista and Win7, try digging through the Channel9 ( http://channel9.msdn.com ) content and actually SEE the differences instead of following along with the group-think mentality.

Parroting = irresponsible blogging.

–S

I bought my Laptop just over 2 years ago, And I agree with Scott, My parents machine, is a fair amount more powerfull than my laptop, and runs XP.

But my laptop outperforms it easily.

Perhaps it’s just luck, my toshiba laptop came with Vista pre-installed, and no problems yet. (Ok an update deleted my sound drivers yes, but it took me 10 minutes to track them down again).

My Parents XP machine, has been Fail, after Fail, after Fail.

No OS is perfect right out the Box, Not even OS X is perfect out the box, the only different is, that Apple tend to fix these problems quicker than Microsoft.

And as to say nothing has changed, maybe they are just using Vista as a base to work from for now?

Even if they keep it, so what? Vista works perfectly for me. If Windows 7 is Vista, but improved, thats enough to make me get it.

Scott, I ‘d be interested in seeing your system, and would gladly pay for any travel to see a system that has Vista running better than XP.

That aside, I find that Microsoft usually releases things way too early, and by the time people are ready for a gold release, MS is usually still lumbering along in what should be beta mode. This is why most of the computer illuminati say ‘No thanks’ to daily use of any code before SP1 of an OS or other major project.

The only way this will change is if the masses will eschew new releases as the knowledgeable do. Then MS will get the point.

As for Paint, I think that MS has allowed the people at U of Wa to let Paint.NET become the replacement for it. It has MS’ blessing, and by now, may have been folded in to part of the working at Redmond.

Windows Vista is crap - I’ve tested RTM, SP1, etc - fresh installs on Quad Core w/ 8 gigs ram, 64bit - and the thing is bloated with crap software. The problem with Microsoft and their trend with every single OS release is that they continue to add more crap to it and force their version of some software tool on you. I finally was able to dump windows as my primary OS thanks to the power of this new system and Virtualization. Which is exactly whats going to happen more and more as web and hosted applications replace existing install/only versions. All our new desktops and notebooks we sell now come with Ubuntu Linux and then if a windows app is needed to run locally we install SUN VirtualBox or Vmware Workstation. Ubuntu with full Compiz Fusion 3D Desktop effects runs Waaaay faster than Vista ever did on this same machine. The days of people, schools, and businesses having to pay for an OS license are over. It wont be long and all those precious windows applications will be available as virtual installations or web applications and wont require windows at all. I think your also going to see this happen in the gaming market as well - the costs savings for distributing a single copy of software that will run on any platform is HUGE and well worth the investment of software developers and vendors. Its the way of the future, and there is no reason to pay Microsoft another dollar for a worthless operating system that makes brand new hardware perform like its 3 years old. Here is a link to my youtube video of my current workstation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DWzuIreDGA - 6x 20″ LCD monitors, running ubuntu 8.04. I installed vista64 before ubuntu and vista couldn’t even span a video across all 6 monitors without degrading system performance and making the video worthless to watch.. Just take a look at what ubuntu can do w/ the same hardware.. Vista also couldn’t come close to the power of multitasking that this system can do. It’s not all fancy effects and eyecandy - compiz fusion and ubuntu provide tools that make multitasking easy and increase productivity. I’ll be posting more videos soon with examples of windows applications running as smooth as ever and fully integrated into the linux operating system. The power of hardware and virtualization is making windows nothing more than another application, and one that I now use less and less every day.

I’d like to think testing the latest version windows 7 could be done using virtual machine software like VMware.

Microsoft really aren’t getting the message. I can’t use their new version of office because I’m not familiar with the buttons. Every version of Word from 3.1 upwards has a roughly uniform feature layout. Even the majority of the keyboard shortcuts remained consistent.

Then they changed it. It’s a very grave responsibility to set a keyboard shortcut, especially if it has to last 20, 30, 40, maybe 50 years.

Then they changed mspaint.

SACRILEGE!

Why does Bill write some nice little programs like paint and media player (remember the really early versions of media player?) then Steve comes in and balls them up (or rather Balmers them up).

This phenomenon can also be seen at Adobe. Despite having faster chips, reader takes longer to load pdfs now than ever before.

Why do the memories of my youth omit computer problems?

I agree completely with Scott! I’ve been running Vista for a while with no problems.

It runs WAAAAY better than XP; and my XP ran great without issue too.

Hating Vista is a “band-wagon” mantality with nothingn to back it up.

You have to give credit to MS for being able to launch an OS that runs on almost anything. Which really makes me want to state that you can’t compare Mac and Win. If Win had it’s own hardware and software like Apple; it would be different.

Apples are for tree-huggers.

Haha, stupid windowz. Can’t wait till this epic fail comes out, it’ll be even funnier than vista. You guys do know that many vendors selling pre-installed vistas sell them with a free XP disc for DOWN-grading right? That says it all. Let me compare win to lunix for a moment, vista is like kde with compiz-fusion, pretty and very broken, what you show your friends. Then there are the ones you can actually use like lunix cli or NT. Computers always suck if you don’t know how to use them. No matter the OS, lunix sucks but you can fix it (more or less), win sucks too but only microbrains can fix that. There we are, unless you are a nerd (like me) all computers are nothing but a pain. And even when you are a nerd there is mostly pain and more pain, of course for a nerd the pain is the only reason to keep going cuz when you fix it there is nothing left to do. That is why whenever I get an OS perfect I reinstall everything. Anyways this Windowz 7 thing looks like an “apt-get upgrade” to me, not from this article but from reading the microsoft page.

Scott Kindorf - Get Real. “Whenever Microsoft releases a new Operating System, consider it as a platform for developers and expect a few bumps along the road.”

You know… to a Linux user, that has got to be the single most STUPID argument for Windows suckiness, since Every other operating system in the world largely is released STABLE and FAST. I have yet to see a Lnux released in a new version that’s broken like Windows does a s a “new platform for developers.”

Face it: Microsoft can’t engineer operating systems. They try and try, but they fail and fail. Vista was crap because it was just that: Crap. The “early in the release cycle” argument would hold a lot more water of other operating systems besides Windows seemed to have this problem… but they don’t.

I’m not expecting Windows 7 to be much of an improvement.

windows 7 will fail because
1)there is nothing new in it .
2)xp can do what it does so why change?
3)there in no luna( moon theam as default theam)
bill gates has moon as lucky sign
kindly note ….
http://famous-relationships.topsynergy.com/Bill_Gates/

I was at first impressed with Windows 7 until i started to really use it, to much of a resource hog… check out my own comments at http://thisvirtualinsanity.blogspot.com