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Comodo 3 Firewall - Updated Information

On January 21, 2008 I wrote a piece about Comodo 3 Basic software program that may not provide outbound protection to its users. [Article is here,] My writings were based on Scot Finnie’s blog report in which he concluded that users should not use Comodo 3 Firewall Basic protection and recommended an alternative product. Since that time both representatives from Comodo and Scot himself have been involved in a war of words, each trying to make a case for their respective positions.

Before I proceed any further, let me explain my relationship to Scot Finnie. I have been member of Scot’s Newsletter Forum since March of 2003 and I am currently a MVP on his site. I have been a reader of Scot’s newsletters and also his magazine articles for many years prior to joining his forum. I have come to respect his opinions concerning software & hardware that he has tested.

Notice the word opinions. Anytime we read the opinions of others, myself included, there are always going to be those who may disagree. That is just the nature of the beast. My only purpose for posting Scot’s article was to present his opinion on what he had found and his recommendations. Since I do not use Comodo 3 I have no opinion.

Scot has posted a rebuttal on his blog here.

Comodo has posted their thoughts here.

Comments welcome.

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What do you think?

the oracle - January 24, 2008 @ 10:07 am

Read the war of words, I can see where the problems in communication can occur, but really don’t see why the guys at Comodo (including the person id’ed as Japo) take such offense.

Either way CFP is way too intrusive for me. Any firewall that can, at ANY time render my dual core machine to be as slow as an 8088 at 4MHz, it is too intrusive.

Update on Online Armor: I woke up this AM to find that my computer was rendered essentially useless for 15 minutes, as it took that long to get control of the machine after Online Armor decided that AVG Antivirus scanning was going to be the SINGLE task that would be allowed at that time. Off came Online Armor, a step ahead of Comodo, as it does appear to uninstall cleanly. Back to Sygate Personal Firewall, which only affects usage of the network interface, as a firewall should work.

the oracle - January 24, 2008 @ 11:05 am

Update: Searched through 18 pages of ’site help’ for Online Armor. It appears that PC hangs after a screensaver has been invoked are common, and are causing problems for more than a few users. Online Armor shows more promise than CFP, but still needs work.

My opinion is that a firewall needs to be approached from a standpoint of having no problems, then addition of features, one at a time. Apparently the idea used by CFP and TallEmu is add all the features, then sort out problems on the fly - Not great for people who need to use their computer.

Ron Schenone - January 24, 2008 @ 11:56 am

Hi Marc,
Thanks for the info. Seems like Sygate Personal Firewall has been and still is the best protection. :-)

Of course that is only an opinion! LOL

Judy Shapiro - January 24, 2008 @ 2:01 pm

As an employee of Comodo, we work hard to make the best security solutions out there, bar none. The post from Scot had some incorrect assumptions including the erroneous belief that in certain installation modes, Comodo Firewall Pro does not have outbound protection – when in fact it does. It is worth repeating — Comodo Firewall Pro does provide outbound protection in all installation modes. Scot’s assertion that it did not to have outbound protection is a serious accusation based on his misunderstanding of the product. We are anxious to correct this misperception as misinformation can lead to the wrong conclusions.

At Comodo a point of pride is that fact that we are open to feedback. Good and bad. There is no small irony to the fact that this “basic” firewall installation mode which caused all confusion was a last minute addition because users wanted that option. We will continue to respond to our users because that is what ultimately creates the most brilliant solutions. That’s as it should be.

Judy Shapiro

Scot Finnie - January 29, 2008 @ 6:38 pm

Judy, I’ll give you that your product has outbound protection. Of course it has outbound and inbound protection — it’s a firewall. What it lacks is leak protection of any sort — as you and others at your company have stated to me. I originally wrote “outbound leak protection,” and it’s probably true that’s not very well stated. But all the rest of what I wrote is plenty accurate. Comodo has created a tempest in a teapot over it.

Bottom line: I would have been happy to correct my blog post for accuracy if you had taken the time to work with me. Why did you opt to launch the war of words Ron describes?

Judy Shapiro - January 31, 2008 @ 10:17 am

Scot –
We agree on the bottom line – getting accurate information out there.

So let’s roll the tape to put this situation in perspective and maybe you can understand why it was not just a “tempest in a teapot” to us.

As has always been the case, you had access to anyone in the company including the CEO. A week before the post, you had conversation with the CEO as well as the development team. Questions were asked and answered. A few days later – we see the post that was shocking to us (yes – shocking), “DO NOT RELY ON COMODO FIREWALL”. The post went on to say about how you were “honor bound” to disclose what you just learned.

Why the shock?

It was NOT because we disagreed with an opinion. We were truly shocked that a seasoned and respectable editor would publish a highly provocative headline, quite open to misinterpretation particularly by less technically savvy readers based on facts that were incorrect. “How”, we asked ourselves,”could an experienced editor not know that this type of headline was unbalanced and easily misunderstood”.

What facts do we think you got wrong? Here they are as succinctly as I know how to put it.

1) You said Comodo had no outbound protection in basic installation mode – wrong (and we note that you did amend this recently)
2) You said that Comodo in basic installation mode had no leak protection. Also not true.
3) It was not clear that the “basic” installation mode was a customized configuration until you added a minor note later in the day
4) You suggested that the lack of outbound protection was something you “just learned from Comodo Executives” when in fact this feature was there all along.
5) You incorrectly advised Vista users to uninstall the application and reinstall it to activate leak protection when that was not necessary

These wrong facts, we believe, led you to wrong conclusions. So what were we expecting? A clear correction or retraction or clarification to your unfair headline and post. That seemed the fair thing and well in keeping with your philosophy of unbiased and objective reviews (a philosophy we totally support BTW).

Finally, we agree that we should work together to ensure accuracy of information. In that vein, I respectfully remind you that I reached out to you not once but twice. I offered to have you speak with anyone at Comodo again to answer any questions. You rejected our overtures by confirming your unbiased perspective.

It seems Scot, that if a collaborative policy is what you believe in, then that would have suggested that you share with us this type of post in advance to be sure you had the facts right (not to change any opinion you may have formed). At the very least, after the post came out and we alerted you to the inaccuracies, you would have made every attempt to understand the technical aspects we believed were inaccurate. You chose not to do either of those things and we respect that choice. However, then one is compelled to turn your question around and ask, Why did you opt to launch the”war of words” with a headline that seemed designed to be controversial at the expense of Comodo?

We too would have preferred to work it out. That did not seem to be an option open to us.

Judy Shapiro
Comodo

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