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	<title>Comments on: Dell Ubuntu Computers Flop In UK</title>
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		<title>By: Microsoft Technical Support</title>
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		<dc:creator>Microsoft Technical Support</dc:creator>
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		<description>Thanks so much for the information and the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for the information and the link.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As of August 2008 the 3 models that dell offers at www.dell.co.uk/ubuntu
show that this article was misinformed.

As for the reasons for ubuntu pre-installed models not being cheaper than windows equivalents:-
some good points in the comments above.
One thing that is sometimes overlooked is that Dell has to train staff to deal with this new support channel (linux desktop) and is probably clawing a bit of that training cost back from each ubuntu sale.

Not ideal but eventually Dell will have established support teams in each country for Ubuntu and that may remove one of the pricing factors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As of August 2008 the 3 models that dell offers at <a href="http://www.dell.co.uk/ubuntu" rel="nofollow">http://www.dell.co.uk/ubuntu</a><br />
show that this article was misinformed.</p>
<p>As for the reasons for ubuntu pre-installed models not being cheaper than windows equivalents:-<br />
some good points in the comments above.<br />
One thing that is sometimes overlooked is that Dell has to train staff to deal with this new support channel (linux desktop) and is probably clawing a bit of that training cost back from each ubuntu sale.</p>
<p>Not ideal but eventually Dell will have established support teams in each country for Ubuntu and that may remove one of the pricing factors.</p>
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		<title>By: linuxiac</title>
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		<dc:creator>linuxiac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At issue, for Americans who don&#039;t know, is that all things technical, and manufactured elsewhere, are offered for the same numerical prices, straight across to British Pounds!

So, the computer for $1,100 in the USA is 1,100 British Pounds in the UK, almost double in price after the addition of the VAT!

Dell UK sets their own prices.  It seems that most companies do, and maximize their profits at a huge cost to the consumer!

Vista Home might sell for $239 in the USA, but is is more like $439 in the UK, according to the comments I see on the Newsgroups!

GNU/Linux is very popular in the UK and elsewhere in the EU, to make older systems really perform, saving money, and the environment!

Microsoft executives have testified under oath and stated in SEC Quarterly Filings that Linux is above 17% of market share for users, with growth over 3% per annum in new users.

Vista growth is at 1% per annum, (cite: SEC filings) most being replacements for older systems, much of which is snatched up for re-use with GNU/Linux installs.   http://vixta.org is one such and ~300 more are free at http://livecdlist.com for download.

Mepis is Ubuntu on steroids... I much prefer it, over edubuntu, for all the 2nd graders, on donated 700Mhz/256MB Dells, Gateways, HP/Compaqs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At issue, for Americans who don&#8217;t know, is that all things technical, and manufactured elsewhere, are offered for the same numerical prices, straight across to British Pounds!</p>
<p>So, the computer for $1,100 in the USA is 1,100 British Pounds in the UK, almost double in price after the addition of the VAT!</p>
<p>Dell UK sets their own prices.  It seems that most companies do, and maximize their profits at a huge cost to the consumer!</p>
<p>Vista Home might sell for $239 in the USA, but is is more like $439 in the UK, according to the comments I see on the Newsgroups!</p>
<p>GNU/Linux is very popular in the UK and elsewhere in the EU, to make older systems really perform, saving money, and the environment!</p>
<p>Microsoft executives have testified under oath and stated in SEC Quarterly Filings that Linux is above 17% of market share for users, with growth over 3% per annum in new users.</p>
<p>Vista growth is at 1% per annum, (cite: SEC filings) most being replacements for older systems, much of which is snatched up for re-use with GNU/Linux installs.   <a href="http://vixta.org" rel="nofollow">http://vixta.org</a> is one such and ~300 more are free at <a href="http://livecdlist.com" rel="nofollow">http://livecdlist.com</a> for download.</p>
<p>Mepis is Ubuntu on steroids&#8230; I much prefer it, over edubuntu, for all the 2nd graders, on donated 700Mhz/256MB Dells, Gateways, HP/Compaqs.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Schenone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Schenone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello KerryatDell,
Thanks so much for the information and the link. I am glad Dell hasn&#039;t given up on Ubuntu.
Regards, Ron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello KerryatDell,<br />
Thanks so much for the information and the link. I am glad Dell hasn&#8217;t given up on Ubuntu.<br />
Regards, Ron</p>
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		<title>By: KerryatDell</title>
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		<dc:creator>KerryatDell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron - Dell UK is still offering Ubuntu. For a short time on November 6, a link on one of our pages to the Dell UK Ubuntu page was broken, this was fixed the following day.

Further info has been posted here - http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/11/07/32908.aspx

We are sorry for the churn this has caused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron &#8211; Dell UK is still offering Ubuntu. For a short time on November 6, a link on one of our pages to the Dell UK Ubuntu page was broken, this was fixed the following day.</p>
<p>Further info has been posted here &#8211; <a href="http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/11/07/32908.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/11/07/32908.aspx</a></p>
<p>We are sorry for the churn this has caused.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ L'Rogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ L'Rogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather that offer Ubuntu (my personal favorite) or other OSes pre-installed, I&#039;ve wondered why manufacturers aren&#039;t offering OS-free systems ... without the MS premium, the pricing should be pretty decent ... thus allowing users to install their own choice of OS.  As was mentioned, OS installation ... Linux anyway ... is pretty straight forward and painless these days.  Or they could even offer a install the OS of your choice for a VERY minimal fee ... not for the open-source OS, but for the service ...

It may be ... and probably is ... that MS has these companies under some sort of obligatory agreement.  Dunno.  But a license free (as in the MS license) open-source system seems like a no-brainer ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather that offer Ubuntu (my personal favorite) or other OSes pre-installed, I&#8217;ve wondered why manufacturers aren&#8217;t offering OS-free systems &#8230; without the MS premium, the pricing should be pretty decent &#8230; thus allowing users to install their own choice of OS.  As was mentioned, OS installation &#8230; Linux anyway &#8230; is pretty straight forward and painless these days.  Or they could even offer a install the OS of your choice for a VERY minimal fee &#8230; not for the open-source OS, but for the service &#8230;</p>
<p>It may be &#8230; and probably is &#8230; that MS has these companies under some sort of obligatory agreement.  Dunno.  But a license free (as in the MS license) open-source system seems like a no-brainer &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Enderland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Enderland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark:

You mean the crapware I have had to uninstall from friends&#039; computers, of course. Uninstall the various Norton, AOL, and soon-to-die-in-60-days M$ Office so I can put AVG, Spybot, Ad-Aware, and Open Office in their place.

It&#039;s a disgusting thought that garbageware like that keeps Windows PC prices low.

I don&#039;t have to like it, that&#039;s for sure.

But on a positive note, since Vista made me take the Ubuntu plunge, I now have a screaming system that gives me a good feeling. Plus, I can shrug my shoulders when asked how to fix (fill in blank here) in Vista. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark:</p>
<p>You mean the crapware I have had to uninstall from friends&#8217; computers, of course. Uninstall the various Norton, AOL, and soon-to-die-in-60-days M$ Office so I can put AVG, Spybot, Ad-Aware, and Open Office in their place.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a disgusting thought that garbageware like that keeps Windows PC prices low.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have to like it, that&#8217;s for sure.</p>
<p>But on a positive note, since Vista made me take the Ubuntu plunge, I now have a screaming system that gives me a good feeling. Plus, I can shrug my shoulders when asked how to fix (fill in blank here) in Vista. <img src='http://s3.lockergnome.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mark Payton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Payton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Enderland,

If all other things were equal, I&#039;d agree that a free O/S box should cost less than a Windows box. However, as Ron S.&#039;s post points out, the kickbacks from software vendors push the Windows pricing down. Quite possibly the vendor payments per unit more than offset the unit cost of Windows. If that is the case, then it does make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Enderland,</p>
<p>If all other things were equal, I&#8217;d agree that a free O/S box should cost less than a Windows box. However, as Ron S.&#8217;s post points out, the kickbacks from software vendors push the Windows pricing down. Quite possibly the vendor payments per unit more than offset the unit cost of Windows. If that is the case, then it does make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Schenone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Schenone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kyle,
Good point. Or Linux uses may be more inclined to use an older box as well.

Hello Ron Enderland,
I agree. A Linux box should cost less. Not more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kyle,<br />
Good point. Or Linux uses may be more inclined to use an older box as well.</p>
<p>Hello Ron Enderland,<br />
I agree. A Linux box should cost less. Not more.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Enderland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Enderland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Ubuntu boxes were priced higher than their Windows counterparts. It was previously thought that the higher pricing was because Dell was not receiving any kickbacks from software manufacturers who pay to have their wares installed on Window machines.&lt;/em&gt;

The idea that a PC with a free O/S costs more than one that sets you back over a hundred bucks to buy off the store shelves is INSANE.

We will never have diversity, O/S-wise, unless this type of blackmail is stopped. Microsoft may have the world by the short and curlies with arrangements like this, but sooner or later people are going to get mad. Why can&#039;t the DOJ look into why Dell charges like this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Ubuntu boxes were priced higher than their Windows counterparts. It was previously thought that the higher pricing was because Dell was not receiving any kickbacks from software manufacturers who pay to have their wares installed on Window machines.</em></p>
<p>The idea that a PC with a free O/S costs more than one that sets you back over a hundred bucks to buy off the store shelves is INSANE.</p>
<p>We will never have diversity, O/S-wise, unless this type of blackmail is stopped. Microsoft may have the world by the short and curlies with arrangements like this, but sooner or later people are going to get mad. Why can&#8217;t the DOJ look into why Dell charges like this?</p>
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